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Author "Barry K dot Nathan" <barryn at pobox dot com>
Full name "Barry K dot Nathan" <barryn at pobox dot com>
Date 2003-06-13 10:08:14 PDT
Message On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 09:52:47AM -0400, Jeremy Portzer wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 04:20, Barry K. Nathan wrote:
[snip]
> > which isn't too surprising considering that up2date was introduced with
> > 6.0.
>
> Actually, up2date and RHN was introduced with Red Hat Linux 7.0. It was
[snip]

Actually, we were both wrong. ;)

http://rpmfind.creat​is.insa-lyon.fr/linu​x/RPM/redhat/6.1/i38​6/up2date-1.0.1-1.no​arch.html

up2date was introduced with Red Hat 6.1. If the above URL isn't
sufficient proof for you, I can find other bits of evidence off google.
;)

(up2date *2.x* was introduced with RHL 7.0 and backported to 6.2, you're
right about that. up2date 1.x shipped with RHL 6.1 and 6.2, however.)

-Barry K. Nathan <barryn at pobox dot com>

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Re: populating the server with many versions

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Author jpportz
Full name Jeremy Portzer
Date 2003-06-13 06:52:47 PDT
Message On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 04:20, Barry K. Nathan wrote:

> Yes, it works going back to 6.2 (I have a 6.2 repository still, with a
> client machine still on it). 6.0/6.1 can be made to work if one or two
> problematic RPMs are left out (I'll find the details later if you wish).
> All of my attempts to make up2date run on 5.x have failed (segfaults),
> which isn't too surprising considering that up2date was introduced with
> 6.0.
>

Actually, up2date and RHN was introduced with Red Hat Linux 7.0. It was
later back-ported to RHL 6.2. It was made available as an enhancement
errata for RHL 6.2. Also note that RHL 6.2 initially shipped with RPM
3.0.4. RPM 4.0.2 was provided as an errata. Up2date required this RPM
upgrade to work. (If you do this, make sure to run rpm --rebuilddb to
convert the RPM 3 database to the RPM 4 format.)

So, if you want up2date on something prior to 6.2, you'd have to
back-port the RPM 4.0.2 package from 6.2 and also back-port the up2date
package. I can't see the benefit. It would make a lot more sense to
upgrade the system to 6.2, or more reasonably, 7.3 or something newer.

Hope this helps,

Jeremy

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Author Jacco Ligthart <jacco at linvision dot com>
Full name Jacco Ligthart <jacco at linvision dot com>
Date 2003-06-13 01:43:18 PDT
Message On Friday 13 June 2003 10:20, Barry K. Nathan wrote:
> BTW, I had a 7.1-on-Alpha client working on it too (right now that
> client is waiting to be reinstalled for reasons that are not relevant to
> this thread).

Here the 7.2-alpha release which redhat 'outsourced' to dec/compaq/hp is also
working.

Jacco

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Re: populating the server with many versions

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Author "Barry K dot Nathan" <barryn at pobox dot com>
Full name "Barry K dot Nathan" <barryn at pobox dot com>
Date 2003-06-13 01:20:29 PDT
Message On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 06:13:39PM -0400, Hunter Matthews wrote:
> There are several reports of users of current using rsync to get just
> the errata, and then configuring current to use _just_ those errata
> rpms.

Don't underestimate the convenience of having all the RPMs there. Being
able to punch in, say, "up2date gcc" on a 7.x machine where you forgot
to install the development stuff initially, is really quite neat. (I
suppose this is less of an issue on 8.0/9 where you have
redhat-config-packages, but up2date is still a quicker way of snarfing
a single package like, say, ncftp.)

> NOTE: if you do that, you may or may not have dep issues when trying to
> apply some of those errata. (Its unlikely that RH would do that, but it
> is technically possible).

If I remember correctly, it has actually happened in the past. I don't
recall a specific example right now, so I might not be remembering
correctly, however.

> Current can certainly handle all the versions / archs of RHL going back
> to at least 6.2. (I think thats still right - I guess I need a 6.2
> repository to test with.... :)

Yes, it works going back to 6.2 (I have a 6.2 repository still, with a
client machine still on it). 6.0/6.1 can be made to work if one or two
problematic RPMs are left out (I'll find the details later if you wish).
All of my attempts to make up2date run on 5.x have failed (segfaults),
which isn't too surprising considering that up2date was introduced with
6.0.

BTW, I had a 7.1-on-Alpha client working on it too (right now that
client is waiting to be reinstalled for reasons that are not relevant to
this thread).

-Barry K. Nathan <barryn at pobox dot com>

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Author draco <manannan at cfl dot rr dot com>
Full name draco <manannan at cfl dot rr dot com>
Date 2003-06-12 15:15:52 PDT
Message On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 03:03:00PM -0700, Terry wrote users:
> This grabs ALL of the RPMs, I am curious if anyone
> just as the security errata methods...

You don't have to mirror the whole server. Most people don't (I only
mirror the releases I use).

You can trivially only mirror the errata for your release. However,
I find up2date a lot more useful if all the RPMs are in the channel.
To each his/her own.

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draco
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Author hunterm
Full name Hunter Matthews
Date 2003-06-12 15:13:39 PDT
Message There are several reports of users of current using rsync to get just
the errata, and then configuring current to use _just_ those errata
rpms.

NOTE: if you do that, you may or may not have dep issues when trying to
apply some of those errata. (Its unlikely that RH would do that, but it
is technically possible).

Current can certainly handle all the versions / archs of RHL going back
to at least 6.2. (I think thats still right - I guess I need a 6.2
repository to test with.... :)



On Thu, 2003-06-12 at 18:03, Terry wrote:
> This grabs ALL of the RPMs, I am curious if anyone
> just as the security errata methods...
>
> Thanks.
>
> --- Ben Russo <ben at umialumni dot com> wrote:
> > Terry wrote:
> >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >I want to have a current server that supports all
> > >versions of redhat. How do you folks populate your
> > >current servers with all the necessary RPMs?
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >
> > >=====
> > >Terry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > There are many public mirrors of the RedHat RPM's
> > you can find a list of
> > them at the redhat site.
> > I suggest that you read the mirror sites policies on
> > mirroring of them.
> > They have "README" files in their root FTP
> > directories that explain such
> > things.
> > I mirror some of them using wget, and I do it at the
> > wee hours of the
> > morning.
> > On the internal network at my company we have over
> > 1,000 RedHat Linux
> > boxes, and
> > it just seemed to make sense to me to have a local
> > mirror of the RPM's.
> > I then publish them all to the internal network via
> > FTP, NFS, APT and
> > CURRENT.
> >
> > -Ben.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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Author td3201
Full name Terry
Date 2003-06-12 15:03:00 PDT
Message This grabs ALL of the RPMs, I am curious if anyone
just as the security errata methods...

Thanks.

--- Ben Russo <ben at umialumni dot com> wrote:
> Terry wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I want to have a current server that supports all
> >versions of redhat. How do you folks populate your
> >current servers with all the necessary RPMs?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >=====
> >Terry
> >
> >
> >
> There are many public mirrors of the RedHat RPM's
> you can find a list of
> them at the redhat site.
> I suggest that you read the mirror sites policies on
> mirroring of them.
> They have "README" files in their root FTP
> directories that explain such
> things.
> I mirror some of them using wget, and I do it at the
> wee hours of the
> morning.
> On the internal network at my company we have over
> 1,000 RedHat Linux
> boxes, and
> it just seemed to make sense to me to have a local
> mirror of the RPM's.
> I then publish them all to the internal network via
> FTP, NFS, APT and
> CURRENT.
>
> -Ben.
>
>
>
>
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Author Ben Russo <ben at umialumni dot com>
Full name Ben Russo <ben at umialumni dot com>
Date 2003-06-12 14:59:42 PDT
Message Terry wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I want to have a current server that supports all
>versions of redhat. How do you folks populate your
>current servers with all the necessary RPMs?
>
>Thanks!
>
>=====
>Terry
>
>
>
There are many public mirrors of the RedHat RPM's you can find a list of
them at the redhat site.
I suggest that you read the mirror sites policies on mirroring of them.
They have "README" files in their root FTP directories that explain such
things.
I mirror some of them using wget, and I do it at the wee hours of the
morning.
On the internal network at my company we have over 1,000 RedHat Linux
boxes, and
it just seemed to make sense to me to have a local mirror of the RPM's.
I then publish them all to the internal network via FTP, NFS, APT and
CURRENT.

-Ben.



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populating the server with many versions

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Author td3201
Full name Terry
Date 2003-06-12 14:34:03 PDT
Message Hello,

I want to have a current server that supports all
versions of redhat. How do you folks populate your
current servers with all the necessary RPMs?

Thanks!

=====
Terry

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